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Initial Vizio GV52L Reviews Are Coming In

52.jpgThe Vizio 52-inch 1080p LCD officially went on sale yesterday. Initial reviews are coming in from buyers who are posting on the AVS forum. I found an excellent review from forum user TheKal that seems the most genuine and well written—the review hits on all the important pros and cons I’ve noted with my GV47LF. There are lots of relevant details here for people choosing between the GV47LF and the GV52L. I’ll repost the review here, but I highly recommend checking out the latest posts on the GV52L forums. From TheKal:

“Well I am the previous owner of a GV47. I owned for almost a full 90 days however I returned it as I had a VERY uneven backlight with severe clouding and streaks during night time viewing in dark scenes. I have been looking at several HDTV’s for a while now so I feel I am pretty well qualified to describe the new Vizio. I have Time Warner digital cable and Toshiba HD-A2 HD DVD player.

First off, this thing is HUGE. I didn’t realize how overkill it was until I put it up on my wall. It looks monstrously bigger than the 47 I would have never thought 5″ would do so much. I am viewing this TV at about 10 feet eye ball to screen and while it is the perfect size picture for watching HD movies it is too big in my opinion for watching SD material. I will be playing with the zoom feature and will probably be watching SD material shrunk down to a more enjoyable size as SD material has tremendous artifacting and pixilation at this size and viewing distance. I don’t know how much of this can be improved on by the TV as I really think this is just a result of digital cable at 480 lines with a lot of compression. At 52″ and 10 feet you really see the quality of the source material as even HD cable looks far more noisy and artifacted than a real high definition disk where those 1080 vertical lines makes a huge difference on this big a set. IF you own this set and you do not own a HD DVD or Blu Ray player you are robbing yourself from the experience of this TV as everything else looks so overblown up and pixilated.


Anyway, the GV52 has significantly better sound quality than the GV47. We are talking night and day difference. GV52 probably has one of the best speaker setups of anything built into a flat panel on the market. The blacks on the GV52 are quite noticeably darker and blacker. I feel the picture is richer and more saturated looking giving it better depth and color intensity. I popped in the HD DVD version of Training Day, the picture was stunning in all the bright scenes, and as good as anything, you can find on the market. The black is absolutely an improvement over the GV47 however when watching the TV in the dark it is still not a true black but still a dark grey even with the backlight at 0 and the brightness/contrast turned down a few clicks. GV52 still lacks the ability to produce the deep blacks of Sharp or Samsung. On a brighter note, however the back light uniformity on my set is picture perfect from corner to corner in a pitch-dark room with a black screen. No clouding in the corners at all. I made sure to transport the set upright the entire time so this may have something to do with it. Unfortunately as mentioned earlier in the dark scenes, there does seem to be considerable shadow detail that is lost and there are plenty of these scenes in training day. The blacks appear to be a bit over saturated and I would love to hear any tuning adjustments from future guru’s to improve on this drawback as it is really the only flaw I can find with the TV PQ. So far, in playing with adjustments, the only way I can bring the shadow detail back is to turn up the brightness and contrast to where the TV looks washed out and the blacks are significantly greyer. This may make or break it for some people if you can live with the lack of shadow detail against black backgrounds this is a tremendous value for the money. I really hope some of the guys in here come up with some settings to clean up this problem as much as possible.


HDMI connectivity has been perfect and the on screen menu is far superior to that of the GV47. Overall, the set for sure has an overall newer generation look and feel about it. There are independent adjustments to move the picture left right up and down. By the way I also noticed the white bar noise at the top of the screen when I had the Cable DVR set to up convert SD to 1080i. Go into the DVR/Cable box settings and have it force SD programming to 480p and you will not have this problem and this will also unlock all the picture modes for SD 4:3 programming built in. If you are still unable to fix this problem, you can always shift the image up.

Anyway, so far this is my input if anybody has any questions I’d be happy to answer them I know there is many excited prospective buyers out there looking for some owner insight.

FYI there is no speaker hum whatsoever however; there is backlight buzz when the backlight is set less than 90. I really feel this is inherent in all Vizio’s due to the type of transformer they use to modulate the backlight. Bummer but it seems to be the way it is. On the brighter side, the PQ with a 90 backlight is much better than it was on the GV47, which would wash out with so much backlight so in most room lighting you will be more than happy with the backlight at 90 PQ.”



Westinghouse’s new 47-inch 1080p HDTV, $1,500.

Westinghouse 47 inchCNET just posted their review for the new Westinghouse 47-inch HDTV LCD, the TX-47F30S. BestBuy.com has it listed for $1,500, which is $100 cheaper than Vizio’s current 47-inch LCD. The Westy has 4 HDMI inputs compared with 2 HDMI for the GV47LF. Looks like the new trend is 4 HDMI inputs.

Also of interest is CNET’s comparision of the Westy with the Vizio 42-inch LCD, the GV42LF, for its performance tests. CNET says the Vizio produces better blacks compared with the Westy. However, in the technical specifications, the Westy has a 5000:1 contrast ratio compared with the Vizio’s 1600:1. I guess even a company’s own specs won’t tell the whole tale.

CNET states the main problem with the Westy is again the black levels and screen uniformity–the same problems I experience with the Vizio GV47LF. And the strength of the Westy is color reproduction, which is also the strength of the Vizio. So it looks like the current Vizio and Westinghouse 47-inch 1080p LCDs are close matches. We’ll see if Vizio responds with a price cut or a product refresh.


GV52L Will Go On Sale August 20, 2007

52.jpgMore info is coming out for the GV52L HDTV. It will go on sale August 20, 2007 at a Costco near you for $2,000+tax ($2,200 manufacturer’s price - $200 coupon). That’s $400 more than the GV47LF (since I own the GV47LF, my perspective is from a comparison point of view). This new Vizio 52 inch HDTV has a few upgrades from the 47. First is a 1000:1 typical contrast ratio compared with the 47’s 800:1 typical contrast ratio. Not really that impressive, but any gain is good in that category. The 52 also features 4 HDMI inputs compared with 2 HDMI inputs with the 47. Two more HDMI inputs is not a big deal for me, but as more and more devices go HDMI, it could save you the cost of an HDMI switcher or other similar devices.

I don’t envy the person trying to make a choice between the two televisions. At first glance, the $400 price difference is a big motivator to go with the GV47LF. And, I’ll also wager there will be a GV47LF price cut for the NFL season, or maybe Black Friday or the Holidays. But then again, 52 inches of 1080p television is pretty glorious. In the end, I don’t think you could go wrong either way, and it all depends on what the difference between $2,000 and $1,600 means to you.

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What Are The Best Settings for the GV47LF: Part II

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Review site Secrets of Home Theater and High Fidelity just posted an excellent review of the GV47LF. The reviewer used Datacolor Colorfacts professional calibrating equipment to calibrate the television. So any owners of the GV47LF should head on over there and check out the entire the review for tips on getting the best picture from the television. I can say their suggesting settings improved my viewing experience.

Their suggested calibrated settings for the Vizio GV47LF:

  • Red: 133
  • Green: 126
  • Blue: 106

Their suggested advanced picture adjust settings for the GV47LF:

  • DNR: Off
  • Black Level Extender: On
  • White Peak Limiter: On
  • CTI: Off
  • Flesh Tone: On
  • Dynamic Backlight: AI
  • Adaptive Luma: On

I’ve been messing around with the backlighting settings on the television, and I’ve come to the conclusion that leaving the dynamic backlight setting on AI is the best way to go, whether you’re in a well-lit room or in a dark room. I’ve found that turning off dynamic backlighting in the advanced settings and adjusting the manual backlight to a low setting (less than 40) tends to make dark scenes murky, and can turn a bright sunny scene into an overcast day. If you use the above settings and dynamic backlight on AI, you’ll get the best compromise of black levels and vivid colors that this TV has to offer. You’ll also have more peace of mind by not having to fiddle with the television anymore, knowing the settings are from a professional calibration.

*Update* I’ve been using these settings for months now, and I am still totally happy with the picture in all lighting settings. I have not touched the settings nor plan on touching them any time in the future. Again, I recommend viewing your Vizio GV47LF in dimly lit rooms–avoid total darkness.

*Update II* Please note that picture settings for each input (broadcast TV, component, HDMI, etc) must be changed while in that mode–they do not replicate across all inputs. See my post on the subject.

*Update III* My GV47LF developerd a buzz sound (out of warranty, of course) that was produced from having the dynamic backlight set to AI. I have now changed it to On (this solves the buzzing problem while maintaining the bright, vivid picture the dynamic backlight provides). I have also messed around with the other picture settings and find that reducing the brightness to 47-50 and having contrast cranked up to 90-100 helps increase the black levels.